and vice-presidential debate since the first four kennedy-nixon debates in 1960, thinking back over the last few minutes i don't believe i have ever seen a debate in which one participant was openly disrespectful of the other as biden was to paul ryan tonight. that's what it was. you can talk about the smirks, smiles, head shaking, the mugging, it was openly, contemptuous and disrespectful. jon: ben, chris wallace has been in washington a long time. as he said, covered a lot of these races. what is your response? >> you know, governor romney has spent the entire campaign saying that he would stand up to china and apparently now governor romney and congressman ryan can't handle a little bit of laughing an smiling? that seems preposterous to me. jon: all right. ben labolt, campaign secretary, i'm sorry press secretary for obama for america campaign. ben, thank you very much. >> thanks for having me. jon: we'll have the romney side in just a moment.